Discussion About Petra /Armageddon

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From: cheyennecin leeandcindy@juno.com

Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 8:36am Subject: Bozrah
(location of the Second Coming), Petra and Jerusalem, etc-

I heard David Hocking on the radio discussing the second coming. He used a Bible scripture
about Bosrah, and how that is where, in the valley of Megiddo, it will occur. The triumphal
entry back into Jerusalem and the Mt. of Olives is to come after that. Anyway, since the
gathering at Megiddo will be to take Jerusalem, and I believe to break into Petra for the Jews
hiding there, I was trying to find a map with Jerusalem, then over to the East (Jordan) with
the section of the Valley of Megiddo that contains Bosrah (old Biblical name) and where it all
is in relationship to Petra. I've found bits and peices, but not completely what I am seeking.
So, as a substitute for now, I want to put something I found online, since it's pretty
important to see where the Raptured saints will be returning behind Jesus (as King of Kings)
on white horses, along with dead in Christ and martyred saints, etc. So, without further ado,
I will post the site info:

Bozrah / Petra = The Sheep Pen of the Remnant

Copyright © 1999-2001 Atlantis Station - www.tribulation.com - All Rights Reserved

Understanding Bible Prophecy

The Day of Vengeance in Edom

June 21, 2001 In the Book of Daniel an Angel of God is revealing the Mystery of the End Times
to Daniel while he is a captive in Babylon. In the following passage, the Angel explains
that the Antichrist will enter Israel and other nations:

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but
these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of
Ammon (Daniel 11:41 KJV)

Edom, Moab and Ammon are all in Jordan ... these areas must escape the Antichrist so that
Israel can flee to Edom (Petra/Bozrah is in Edom) where she escapes during the last 1/2 of the
Tribulation (times = 2 years, time = 1 year and 1/2 time = 1/2 year ... total = 3.5 years):

14 And to the Woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the
wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time,
from the face of the Serpent (Revelation 12:14 KJV)

In the Gospel of Matthew, written more specifically to the Jew, an escape route for the
remnant of Israel is noted by Jesus as He identifies the kickoff event (cf. Daniel 9:27) for
the last 1/2 of the Tribulation Period. This "kickoff event" is the Antichrist setting up an
idol to himself in the east wing of Israel's rebuilt Temple of God:

15 Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the
prophet, standing in the Holy Place (let the reader understand), 16 then those who are in
Judea must flee to the mountains; (Matthew 24:15-16 NASB)

During the terrible last 1/2 of the Tribulation Period, 2/3 of the population of the Nation of
Israel falls to the armies of the Antichrist. The remaining 1/3, the remnant, flees this
tyranny foretold in the prophecy of Zechariah:

8 It will come about in all the land, Declares the LORD, That two parts in it will be cut off
and perish; But the third will be left in it. 9 And I will bring the third part through the
fire, Refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My
name, And I will answer them; I will say, "They are My people,' And they will say, "The LORD
is my God.' (Zechariah 13:8-9 NASB)

In Micah, we find a prophecy from the Lord declaring Bozrah as the sheep pen of the remnant of

12 I will surely assemble all of you, Jacob, I will surely gather the remnant of Israel. I
will put them together like sheep in the fold (Bozrah - KJV); Like a flock in the midst of its
pasture they will be noisy with men. (Micah 2:12 NASB)

When the Antichrist tries to finish Israel off at Bozrah/Petra in Edom ... Jesus Christ
returns to save them ... After the Battle of Armageddon, His clothing reflects the Winepress
of God in Isaiah 63:

1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in
His apparel, travelling in the greatness of His strength? I that speak in righteousness,
mighty to Save. 2 Wherefore art Thou red in Thine apparel, and Thy garments like Him that
treadeth in the winefat? 3 I have trodden the Winepress alone; and of the people there was
none with Me: for I will tread them in Mine anger, and trample them in My fury; and their
blood shall be sprinkled upon My garments, and I will stain all My raiment. 4 For the Day of
Vengeance is in Mine heart, and the year of My Redeemed is come. 5 And I looked, and there was
none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore Mine own arm brought
Salvation unto Me; and My fury, it upheld Me. 6 And I will tread down the people in Mine
anger, and make them drunk in My fury, and I will bring down their strength to the Earth
(Isaiah 63:1-6 KJV)

The Day of the Lord is also pictured in the Book of Revelation as Jesus returns to Earth on a
white horse. The Winepress of God from Isaiah 63 is found in the 15th verse of Revelation
chapter 19:

11 And I saw Heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called
Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a
flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns; and He had a Name written, that no man knew,
but He Himself. 13 And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and His name is called
The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in Heaven followed Him upon white horses,
clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with
it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a Rod of Iron: and He treadeth the
Winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God (Revelation 19:11-15 KJV)

See Bozrah/Petra as "The Valley of the Crescent Moon" in "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade"!

35 From: cheyennecin <leeandcindy@juno.com> Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:22pm Subject: MORE ABOUT WHERE THE SECOND COMING MIGHT REALLY HAPPEN!!!

More PROPHECY INFORMATION: I heard Pastor David Hocking, www.hopefortoday.org, on the radio.
He stated that Bozrah is the place that Jesus is going to come down to first, at the second coming, and that of course He will head over to Jerusalem (the Mount of Olives, etc.) from there. So the first thing I did was look up the Bozrah (old city, Biblical name) verses in the Old Testament, and sure enough, they do sound like the correct location! Jeremiah 49:22- "Behold, he shall come up and fly as the eagle, and spread his wings over Bozrah:and at that day shall the heart of the mighty men of Edom be as the heart of a woman in her pangs." verse 13 (Jer.49)-

"For I have sworn by myself, saith the LORD, that Bozrah shall become a desolation, a reproach, a waste, and a curse; and all the cities thereof shall be perpetual wastes." (And read all of the verses in between 13-22) Micah 2:12- "I will surely assemble, O Jacob,all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold:they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men." (And be sure the read the next verse) See also Isaiah 34:6 and all
surrounding verses, and Amos 1:12! Go to www.tribulation.com and click to the section on Petra/Bozrah, for more. Then after reading all of this, I tried to find maps, and of course assumed that Bozrah is somewhere in the valley of Megiddo. Surprise! It isn't. I think -- not totally sure---that it is located somewhere near Petra, where much of the remnant will be safely hiding.

The Jezreel area, or Megiddo, or the valley of Megiddo, is mentioned several times in the Bible, but nowhere does it indicate that it is the area that Jesus is going to approach at the second coming! The map showed me that is is well to the northwest of Bozrah/Petra! So something didn't jive. I know that Revelation 16:16 indicates that the kings of the east and the whole world will gather there at the Armageddon area, and we have always heard about the BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON, meaning simply what will happen after they all foolishly try to battle Jesus HIMSELF!! It won't be much of a "battle"- the King of Kings will win, hands down!

But I have always believed that not only will they gather to take Jerusalem, but will probably first try to kill the remnant hiding at Petra! Now this makes even more sense to me. Perhaps they DO gather first at ARMAGEDDON, but then actually succeed in migrating to Bozrah, and THAT is where Jesus will meet them, for the BATTLE OF BOZRAH!! Something to ponder. All of the prophecy teachers, including myself, could have been totally wrong about the location of the second coming of Jesus!---Written by CHEYENNE CIN

36 From: K. Taylor <taylorkri@yahoo.com> Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 6:42pm Subject: Re: MORE

according to an Aramaic linguist (his original tongue) the idiomatic translation of Armageddon is "City of Destruction", which meaning opposite to "City of Peace" (Jerusalem) may be another name for the same city, for all we know. Reference: footnotes in Revelation from http://www.v-a.com/bible/

Armageddon does not translate into regular Hebrew, only into Aramaic. That is why the guesses
at what it means (Valley of Megiddo? Mount Megiddo? City of Megiddo? It does not translate to
any of these directly - it is an educated guess only from the Hebrew) (It's hard to find notes
on this sometimes but they are out there)

Still, Jesus will set his "feet down on the Mt. of Olives" irregardless of where he soars

cheyennecin leeandcindy@juno.com


More PROPHECY INFORMATION: I heard Pastor David Hocking, on the radio. He stated that Bozrah is the place that Jesus is going to come down to first, at the second coming, and that of course He will head over to Jerusalem (the Mount of Olives, etc.) from there. I know that Pastor Hocking believes there does not to be a gathering at Megiddo AT ALL, and that the "ARMAGEDDON" in Rev. 16:16 represents just what you looked up. I may even use some of your post, "K.Taylor" on bottom of my webpage www.homestead.com/PROPHECYCENTER/page2.html, because if you look there, you will notice we are addressing just this subject!

37 From: cheyennecin <leeandcindy@juno.com> Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 Subject: Pastor
David Hocking's answer to my question about Armageddon, Megiddo, Bozrah..

The idea that the battle will take place in the "valley" of Armaggedon is NOT found in Scripture. The "valley" is the plain of Esdraelon and at its eastern end - the vale of Jezreel. The description of the final battle is connected to "Armaggedon" (hill of Megiddo) because Megiddo was the site of many ancient battles and civilizations - it serves as an historical symbol of battles. The "winepress" which the Messiah will stomp out is the whole land of Israel. If you are interested in more - we have tapes on the subject of "Armaggedon" - call 1-800-75-BIBLE and order a free monthly newsletter and a free catalog. Also, you might check out our web site - www.hopefortoday.org

Original Message

leeandcindy@j... To: hft@m...
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:11 PM
Subject: Hello Hope for Today, and everyone!

I have a question for you! I heard you, pastor Hocking, on the radio today and you said something that REALLY sparked my interest, to the point where my husband and I have been searching the web and books for answers. You said that Jesus' second coming will be at Bozrah, and I looked first at all of the Bozrah scriptures and sure enough, it does look that way. So I figured Bozrah would connect to the valley of Megiddo. I wanted a map with the locations of Jerusalem, hopefully the Mount of Olives, Megiddo, and Bozrah and Petra (I believe the gathering for the Battle of Armageddon will be to take both Jerusalem and to conquer the Jewish remnant hiding at Petra) and what I have discovered so far is that the valley of
Megiddo is WAY northwest of where I THINK Bozrah and Petra both are located. So I'm confused
about the plan for second coming. If you have something good and clarifying to respond with, I'd sure appreciate it, and if you know where I can locate a good map, that would be wonderful! Thanks so much!--Cheyenne Cin
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